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How Much Difference Does Your Grip Make?

The conventional wisdom states that you want your hand as close to the bore-line as possible on a pistol to compensate for muzzle rise between shots. It’s true; physics and physiology dictate this, and the amount of upward rotation induced by recoil can be measured. It genuinely makes a difference in absolute terms. The question is how much difference, and how much does it matter in practical terms?

The answer is… it’s complicated. People are different; people differ in skill, there’s always some variation in physiology. In the interest of science I decided to see what difference it makes for me by staging a very unscientific test.

Two S&W J-Frame revolvers, a model 37(bottom) and a 642-2(top.)

I wanted two guns that differed primarily in how high a grip they allow, so for my test I selected two J-frame revolvers, a S&W Model 37 and a model 642-2. The latter gun allows a significantly higher grip, so with all things being equal it will have less muzzle rise under recoil, which allows for faster recovery times between shots.

Of course all things are seldom equal. For example the 642-2 weighst 14.7 oz. while the Model 37 weighs 13.6. Does that 1.1 oz. make a difference? Don’t know. Both have nice DA triggers, but the trigger on the Model 37 is a bit better. How much difference will that make? Don’t know.

The ammunition, at least, I can control. For the test I loaded an Xtreme Bullets 158gr. Copper-plated SWC over 5.0gr. of Universal with a Federal #200 primer. This is a relatively stout load, but is not max-pressure or +P. I wanted the load to have a bit of bounce so recoil would be more of an issue.

The first test was one shot/second at 7 yards. I aimed at the Bullseye with the 642 and at the bottom of the target with the Model 37. The results were not particularly illuminating.

One shot per second at seven yards. Not a nickel’s worth of difference.

OK, time to push harder. I tried two cylinder-dumps at seven yards with each gun. This means I emptied the guns as fast as I could while aiming center-mass of the target.

Once again not much to choose between them

The cylinder dumps seemed to go about as fast from one gun to the other. We don’t know exactly how fast they were because I got a new phone and forgot to download the shot-timer .app. Oops. Let’s just say the difference was not conspicuous.

OK, maybe distance will tell the tale. I ran targets out to 25 yards and fired one shot/second (I do have an .app to make my phone beep every second.) I thought that perhaps this will show the difference. OK, it does. Sort of. Maybe.

Umm…

At a glance the groups are close, but I missed the paper once with the model 37, so technically the 642 wins. But I only did this once, they are pretty close and the sample size is too small to definitely say there’s a difference.

I tried panic-fire at three yards, where I point the gun without using sights and empty it as fast as I can. No definitive difference between group sizes. Five yards, same result. Despite knowing that there is a difference I simply could not demonstrate it real-world practical terms.

Does this prove it doesn’t matter? No, it simply indicates that it matters little or not at all for me with these two specific guns as they are presently configured. But as my wife pointed out I am a large, very strong man, and fair to say a pretty good shot with snub-nosed revolvers. It might be different for someone of slighter build with lesser grip strength and/or less experience. I’m going to see who I can enlist to repeat the test and find out…

Conclusions

It’s almost physically painful to me to admit this, but for me at least the higher grip made no real difference. I honestly expected it to. I know in straight-up leverage it’s true; it’s just the difference isn’t enough to noticeably affect my performance. Needless to say your mileage may vary, and more testing is needed across people with different physiques and skill levels.

The upshot is that gripping your revolver as high as you can manage is good advice, but that changing guns to take advantage of an even higher grip might not make enough difference to matter. I’ll keep looking into this.

Take care and stay safe.

Michael Tinker Pearce, 23 August 2021

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Two of an Imperfect Pair

(This is one of the posts from July that WordPress somehow lost)

The British Bulldog was invented in the late 1860s by Webley. These were a compact double-action revolver in .442 Webley and .450 Adams. Big-bore cartridges in a small, fast-firing revolver proved to be a very compelling combination. They were immediately popular, not just in Europe but across the world, particularly in the United States.

The style of revolver was quickly adopted by the many, many gunmakers in and around Liege, Belgium, who had never met a design they didn’t want to steal. This, coupled with their utter contempt of foreign patents meant that the vast majority of British Bulldogs were produced in Belgium. But they weren’t alone; Forehand Wadsworth in the United States also produced a version that they even had the temerity to actually label British Bulldog.

Forehand Wadsworth British Bulldog, this one holding 7-shots of .32 S&W.

The F&W solid-frame guns were offered as a six-shot .38 S&W, a seven-shot .32 S&W or a 5-shot .442 Webley. Today the .38s are the most numerous, with the .442s being somewhat rare. The .32 S&W seven-shooters are fairly common and, I thought, unique.

Nope. I was at Pintos today and was asked to consult on a Bulldog revolver. While answering the questions as best I could I spotted something tucked away in the corner of the case: a small Bulldog revolver labelled as Belgian and offered at a very attractive price. I had to look, of course.

It appeared to be a F&W .32 seven-shooter, but it had an odd trademark and was not labelled as the F&W revolvers usually were. I was intrigued, and since it was basically all there I pulled out my wallet. Damn you, Pintos!

Two F&Ws? Close, but no cigar. Among other things the screw just above the back of the trigger-guard is located in a different place.
The new gun does not say Forehand & Wadsworth’ or indeed anything at all. The Checkering on the hammer is also different. (Perspective in this photo makes the new gun appear larger; it isn’t.)

The shape of the trigger, the loading gate and the hammer are too close for the resemblance to be accidental. Despite the similarities of the guns there are small differences, and many of the parts are not interchangeable. They’re close, but not identical. Normally you’d expect a Belgian gun to have proof-marks, either real or faked. Likewise any European manufacturer. This gun has none of that. OK, it could have been made anywhere and still lack proof-marks, especially if it were made for export to the US, where proofs were not so much a thing.

The Faux-hand and Wadsworth at the top is missing the flange that prevents the cylinder-axis pin from rotating. I’ll fix that. As close as they look the axis-pins are not interchangeable.
The cartoonish bulldog Trademark is another clue that the gun isn’t a F&W.

Forehand & Wadsworth sold a lot of these guns; I’m not sure how many. Someone, somewhere got ahold of one and copied it at least once. Probably many times. To me this is actually more interesting than finding an actual F&W. You learn something new every day. Unless a compelling reason not to comes to light I’m going to refurbish this gun; strip the little remaining nickel and rust-blue it, make a new set of grips probably. I’ll also test-fire the gun, using some mild loads of course. Interesting times ahead!

Take care and stay safe. Michael Tinker Pearce, 30 July 2021

Colt detective Special- The Quintessential Snubby

There is no question that the Detective Special is a classic. It’s often credited with being the first production snub-nosed revolver, but the truth is it isn’t even close. Revolvers were sold with two-inch barrels almost as long as there have been cartridge-firing revolvers. I mean, what else would you call a Webley Bulldog? The small S&W top-breaks were offered in their catalogue with a 2″ barrel long before the dawn of the 20th C., as were guns from any number of smaller manufacturers.

Was the Detective Special really the first production ‘snubby?’ Not even close, as this 19th C. S&W Bycycle model demonstrates.

The truth is that major manufacturers would always provide a short-barrel revolver by special order, whether from an individual or a distributor. But Colt was the first to produce a specific short-barrel model, the Banker’s Special. This was a Police Positive chambered in .38 S&W with a two-inch barrel. It was an uphill battle to sell lawmen on the snub-nosed gun, but Colt did a number of demonstrations to show doubters that the short barrel would not ruin the gun’s accuracy.

It is often said that J.R.Fitzgerald’s ‘Fitz’ conversions were the inspiration for the Detective Special, but as he made relatively few of these that seems unlikely. More likely of the Banker’s Specials and orders for two-inch barreled Police Positives and Police Positive Specials provided the impetus. In 1927 Colt introduced the Detective Special, a 2″ Police Positive Special in all but name, with the only real difference being a shortened ejector rod and ramped front sight.

The Police Positive Special was a Police Positive with a stretched and reinforced frame to accommodate more powerful cartridges, specifically the .32-20 and .38 Special. By the time the Detective Special was introduced the .32-20 was waning in popularity, so the new gun was offered in .32 Colt New Police (.32 S&W Long with a flat-point bullet) and .38 Colt New Police (.38 S&W with a flat-point bullet) and .38 Special.

Myths and folklore aside, it was the first service-caliber production model that came standard with a short barrel. It was a great success, and quickly became entrenched in American folklore via movies and fiction.

The Colt police positive Special- the progenitor of the Detective Special

The grip frame continued to mirror the Police Positive’s changes right up until 1966, when Colt re-engineered the gun and gave it a much shorter grip-frame among other things. Despite the short, square-butt grip-frame they didn’t change the length of the handle, offering grips that extended past the new frame.

Top is a 1909 Police Positive Special. These could be ordered with a 2″ barrel, but this one was cut down aftermarket. Middle is a Series Two detective Special with the larger grip-frame and the add-on hammer shroud made in 1949. Bottom is a Series three DS made in 1966 with a dramatically shortened grip-frame.
The three grip-frames of the Detective Special, with starting with the PPS on the bottom, the Series Two gun in the center and the Series Three gun at the top.
The guns from 1966 onward featured full-length grips on the short frame. The grips shown are the one’s that came with my gun, some quite badly made aftermarket grips by Altamont.

The photo above shows some of the more visible changes, the most obvious being the grip-frame. Not only was it much shorter, it was now made from a forged frame rather than being machined from stock. The smaller, rounded more elegant hammer of the earlier guns was replaced by a larger, squarer, less elegant and sharp-edged version. Lastly the cylinder-crane retention system was changed from the complicated retainer/screw combination to a simple screw.

These changes made a lot of sense. Colt needed to rationalize the design to make the gun less expensive and easier to produce. There were some internal changes as well, and by and large these affected neither the quality nor the function of the gun. My only real objection is that hammer. The corners are too sharp, it’s too big and frankly it looks cheap. I get that they need to maintain profitability, but seriously they could have done a lot better than this.

The Detective Special suffered from the general slump in revolver sales in the 90’s, and production ended in 1995.

My ‘New’ Detective Special

I went into Pinto’s Guns in Renton, WA. for… well, it doesn’t really matter, does it? I spotted this series 3 gun at a very attractive price. I actually wanted one to use as a model for custom grips. We looked up the date of manufacture and determined it was a C&R gun, so Linda brought down the paperwork and we snagged it.

My new-old Colt DS 38!

First off the after-market grips had to go. They were badly fitted, badly designed and could move as much as 1/8″ back and forth even when fully tightened down. I’d seen photos of guns where people shortened the grips to the size of the grip-frame for greater concealability, so-called ‘stubbie’ grips. I decided to make a set in American Holly because I liked the black-and-white look of the Altamont grips. I was curious to see how they would perform on the range. We’ll get back to that.

Stubby grips- great for concealed carry, but shooting?

As for the gun itself, it is apparent that this gun was not fired often if at all. There are no wear marks or turn-rings on the cylinder and the bore is like a mirror, nor was there the least trace of powder residue anywhere on or in the gun. There is minor surface pitting in several places. It seems apparent that this gun was fired seldom if ever and left sitting somewhere for many years. Despite this the gun is in very nice condition overall.

The installation of a red insert in the front sight of this gun is a welcome addition, and is highly visible even in dim light. Unlike S&Ws inserts I don’t see this one ‘fuzz out’ in strong overhead light. The DA trigger pull is very good, but not phenomenal. Single action is crisp and light with little overtravel.

OK, How’s it shoot?

In a word, well. In two words, very well. The DA trigger is a pleasure to use, the sights are highly visible and at defensive distances it shoots to point of aim. My first five shots at seven yards were constrained by my skill, not the gun.

DA fire at seven yards. Not bad for my first shots with the gun.

The situation was less happy when I speeded things up. The small grip is just not big enough for my rather large hands. It shifted slightly in my hands between shots. The group size wasn’t bad overall, but it was noticeably less rapid than I usually manage, and there were more flyers.

Seven tard rapid-fire. Not horrible, but not as good as I’d like.

I like the concealability but can’t abide the trade-off in shootability. New grips were needed… or were they? Remembering that I had a Tyler t-Grip adapter for a Colt D-frame in the shop I found it and went to work. I had to shorten it about 1/8″ so that it wouldn’t hang off the bottom of the grip-frame, and I deepened and rounded the finger grooves. It provides a much better grip that I am a lot more comfortable with. I’ll need to take it to the range and give it a work-out to be sure, but it seems like it might do the trick.

DS with the modified T-Grip adapter installed. This could be a thing.

I’ll keep you posted on how it all goes.

Stay safe, and take care.

Michael Tinker Pearce, 14 August 2021